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	<title>Episode 56: A Plea for Lean Software</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2026 12:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Relaunch, and Death March]]></itunes:title>
	<itunes:episode>55</itunes:episode>
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